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#1 2007-09-18 12:28:55

mamema
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XDA Flame curiosities

Hi All

As a former W2003 SE User with the XDA IIi workhorse i discovered a few things which i want to clarify for me.

Memory Management
- I have 128 MB RAM and 2GB "NVRAM(ROM?)"
     I only see "Device" to set as install source.
     How do i seperate the 128MB RAM from the rest?
- The Extended "ROM" is writeable ?!

Bluetooth and Wireless
- All 3rd party Tools like eg. phonealarm are not able to manage bluetooth and wireless until i enable these things
  via the internal Flame "Network Tool"
  I've implemented a startup mortscript to enable these settings and use phonealarm afterwards
  Are there any other solutions for this?

Start Menu
- I've create my own subfolders like "System", "Network" etc. in the root folder Start Menu
  These subfolders are reasigned unter Start Menu/Programs after soft reset
  I have to implement a mortscript solution
  Didn't have this with W2003

Best regards

mamema

 

#2 2007-09-18 13:12:12

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

In 2003, ram is shared between memory used by program to run and memory to store files, and  programs. Like memory and disk in a Pc.
With 2005, it is more like a PC ram (memory for running softwares) and nvram (disk to store the system, programs and files). Device is the nvram. You do not have direct access to the ram except by running or stopping softwares.

The extended Rom is like a partition in the disk of a Pc. It is not really Rom, it is part of nvram. You will find a way in this forum how to access it and use it like a new disk or an external storage card, that are also nvram. So yes, you can delete or put your own files on it, even store or creafe doc files directly in it. On some devices, the system does not allow these modifications. This is why it was named firstly as Rom.

And we have also ROM in the Flame, 64 mb. In fact this memory is also nvram and can be changed by you but it is more complexe because the data is not structured simply as files and directories. But cooking rom means manipulating this data by removing or inserting files, and flashing rom means writing this data to this nvram. It exists two types of nvram, NOR and NAND. One, I do not remember which one, is optimised for reading and used for the ROM, and the other one is optimised for writing and used for files and extended rom.

When you do a hard reset, the PDA start to work with  microprograms written in the Rom data, this program format one partition in the nvram, the one used by files, and not the other one, the one used bythe extended rom. So the fact that this partition is not formated, it was mis named rom. Then this program copy the Windows part of the Rom data in the nvram. Probably I make errors concerning this last part.

 

#3 2007-09-18 18:53:02

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

Great explanation. Can you also explain how to use part of the 128 MB RAM as a ramdisk? Are third-party tools required?

Also, how does the registry fit into all of this, and how does it differ between WM2003 and WM5?

 

#4 2007-09-18 22:59:41

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For ram disk, I use something that Menneissys gives us a pointer years ago.
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index. … 1&pb=1

I do not understand your question concerning registry.

 

#5 2007-09-19 03:15:27

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Sorry, registry was about the differences between the WM2003 and WM5 registry structure, if any. I thought WM5 had some structural differences, but maybe not.

 

#6 2007-09-19 08:24:29

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I started to have windows mobile PDA with wm03se and the loox720.  Before I was a Palm user.

Conserniny registry I have not seen any differences between wm03se and wm05,  but that does not mean that no difference exists.

The main difference between the two OS is the way PiM is stored. Now it is in one file pim.vol and previously it was in the databases.

But the big main difference is what I have already explained concerning memory and that causes lots of company where not able to provide wm03se to wm05 upgrade like for the loox720 or bad one like for the dill one's.

 

#7 2007-09-20 06:51:01

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That's good enough smile

 

#8 2008-05-27 20:39:25

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

Humm, Can the Flame Ram be increased say 256MB????

 

#9 2008-05-27 20:59:38

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why ? I never reached the limit.
Did you ever reach it.

 

#10 2008-05-28 03:02:13

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

Yes the thing that I liked so much about the Flame is the ability to load tons of program and not worry about closing them. They just keep up running! Space and memory is not an issue with Flame wink


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#11 2008-05-29 08:22:34

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@ EFN

hi

You mentioned these positive features of flame running at what speed? is it at full processor speed or on power saver mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For me @ full 520Mhz my flame running your OS windows mobile 6.1 is good

For me @ Power saver mode my flame is a bit slow, ie when using it like opening connection manager turning on bluetooth and instantly accepting a phone call!!!!!! i notice some milisconds of freezeing


@thierryb

hi

No, i was asking if the issue concerning "Increasing Ram on Flame" weather it's possible to do it or not!!!!!

smile

 

#12 2008-05-29 11:35:18

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@ Venom, am I right to think that you are talking about increasing the RAM physically??? By changing the H/W????

 

#13 2008-05-29 12:40:01

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mamema wrote:

- I've create my own subfolders like "System", "Network" etc. in the root folder Start Menu
  These subfolders are reasigned unter Start Menu/Programs after soft reset
  I have to implement a mortscript solution
  Didn't have this with W2003

I think you've reached the maximum number of items accepted directly under "programs" folder... It's strange, but if I put more than (I think) 6 link/folder, they will be relocated into programs.
Maybe there is a trick for that, but I never seen one.


@VeNoM :   About RAM, whether it's possible or not (and it's not wink), why would you need more RAM ?


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#14 2008-05-29 15:36:24

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blitzkrieg_flame123 wrote:

@ Venom, am I right to think that you are talking about increasing the RAM physically??? By changing the H/W????

Nope, i was thinking about the ext.Rom but as its a ROM it wont work.

You can unhide it and delete all items in it, then u get free space. Next combine the space with the Ram via Software method u get more RAM but this iead is totally wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by VeNoM (2008-05-29 15:41:16)

 

#15 2008-05-29 19:38:19

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

VeNoM wrote:

@ EFN

hi

You mentioned these positive features of flame running at what speed? is it at full processor speed or on power saver mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For me @ full 520Mhz my flame running your OS windows mobile 6.1 is good

For me @ Power saver mode my flame is a bit slow, ie when using it like opening connection manager turning on bluetooth and instantly accepting a phone call!!!!!! i notice some milisconds of freezeing


@thierryb

hi

No, i was asking if the issue concerning "Increasing Ram on Flame" weather it's possible to do it or not!!!!!

smile

I used to run 520Mhz all the time but it's an overkill to the battery. So now I am on Auto mode and the results are good so far. Yes it's not as Blazing fast as 530Mhz but it does the job nicely (my Flame is still faster than my tweaked HTC Kaiser WM6.1


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#16 2008-06-05 20:23:08

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hi

Anyone try this Put your flame to full processor speed, close all running application. Next try open File Explorer and open your WINDOWS directory. Does it takes more than 22 Seconds to open this folder!!!! Mannnn mine takes 22 seconds i dont like it at all.

IS yours opening fast??

 

#17 2008-06-05 23:35:08

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Opening Windows folder depends on two things:
- explorer type (Total Commander, Recso Explorer, FExplore)
- item quantity in it

This folder is usually a great mess containing ~1500-2000 files that should be organized
and put in folders. However WM won't see some items if they're not in Windows folder hmm .

Mine takes about 4 secs to load and has 1704 files (I'm not counting those in folders) with using TC
and having CPU speed at 416-512 MHz (automatic setting).


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#18 2008-06-06 08:10:08

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Hi Malloth

Well you use Total Commander as your file explorer. Have you tried the default File Exlorer, if you try with this one does it takes you 4 seconds. If yes i have to look for a defragmentation software!!!

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#19 2008-06-06 10:09:44

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Now, even I'm stunned - 3secs in FExplore yikes .
I remember that it took about 4-6secs on my Flame.

Ps. If You find any defragmenter for WM post it here ok?

Pps. I ment - defragmenter only - not like in Pocket Mechanic.


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#20 2008-06-08 16:22:22

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

VeNoM wrote:

hi

Anyone try this Put your flame to full processor speed, close all running application. Next try open File Explorer and open your WINDOWS directory. Does it takes more than 22 Seconds to open this folder!!!! Mannnn mine takes 22 seconds i dont like it at all.

IS yours opening fast??

Hi,

I'm running my flame in performance mode all the time and I have 1404 files in the Windows dir. When I close all the programs (including the FE) and open the Windows directory, all files are listed in under 1.5 seconds. Dunno, may be because I hard-reseted it about 2 days ago

 

#21 2008-06-08 21:18:23

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Same for me, in WM5 it took about 4-6 seconds, now in WM 6.1 about 2

 

#22 2008-06-09 04:37:47

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Yep, somewhere between 2 to 3 for me.

The  trick is not to put too many non rom files in \windows\, and you know if it is rom or non rom by checking the properties of the file.

Those non rom files, it you do not need them, move to anywhere except \windows\, those you need them, see if you can move to somewhere and not affecting the function.

With less file in \windows\, it should speed up the reading time.


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#23 2008-06-09 22:22:07

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hi

The slow performance was on Windows Mobile 5 hehe smilesmile, i again moved to EFN windows mobile 6.1 and all is perfect in 1 seconds it opens the windows directory. All is ok now, i am satisfied.

 

#24 2009-04-01 21:11:01

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Re: XDA Flame curiosities

My friend and i have o2 xda flame with WM6.1 FLAME_ROM_004_WWE t5
my friends ram changed to 157 mb ram when rom updated  and till this date its not changed .....also he dosent understand anything what he did
so...i want to know what Happened to his handset ......also i need to increase ram 157mb also shows free ram 114mb



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